Hello Dear Doctors,
Recently I was asked for my opinion by an aspiring candidate on Rxpg. I have tried to answer him with utmost sincerity and i also post this here for benefit for other candidates.
He writes...........
1.There are a lot of
contradictions in the experiences of those gone there also, say for example
some IMGs get paid around 600 Euros when they were being trained for
approabtion whereas some where paying to the hospital for that kind of
training.
My Response : I totally agree about the wide spectrum of
experiences of different people, reason for that is, different people choose
different paths as there are more than one routes to get into PG here and the
paths and processes are quite jumbled up. One cannot make an entire unidirectional
flowchart to success in the german system. The key is step by step targeted approach. Fact is there is nothing
called Training for Approbation done by Hospitals, I think what you are
reffering to is Observership,, that’s basically just being in the Hospital and
seeing and learning the system. You can get it for free by sending multiple
hundred email applications or pay up a reliable agent to set it for you. By the
latest law which came in Feb 2015, Hospitals are required to pay around 400
Euros to Observers, to stop possible exploitation of the candidates, in
response to this Hospitals have started avoiding Observers as they don’t want
to pay some one who is just going to stand there, who has no german medical
license and cannot do any actual doctorly work. The Training for Approbation is
conducted by Institutes, its like full coaching class room sessions, as we have
training institues for Pgentrance in India, also they arrange few months of
Observership with some hospital by paying them the money hospital is supposed
to pay the candidate by law. All of this is undertable transaction. Most of the
money is retained by the Agent and by the profit making institute. All the cost
is ultimately borne by the candidate.
2.The shortage of doctors are sometimes highlighted and at other instances lack of training postions are also cited. As of now there is an inflow of doctors from East Europe where pay is much lower. Being citizens of the EU, they have higher preference.
2.The shortage of doctors are sometimes highlighted and at other instances lack of training postions are also cited. As of now there is an inflow of doctors from East Europe where pay is much lower. Being citizens of the EU, they have higher preference.
Response : That’s totally
correct, at present the total number of doctors is maximum that germany has
ever seen. That’s the reason they are in a choosing position and screening the
right candidate now because of huge number of
applications. Vacancies are very limited in cities,, plus all good big
hospitals need candidates with Approbation. Only smaller hospitals in smaller
cities settle for doctors with Berufserlaubnis ( Temporary license ).
3) Regarding the choice of speciality, 4-5 yrs back you had the luxury of choosing any but now it seems to have a bit hard lined to fewer specialities like Internal Medicine et al. I honestly don't know whether that's true.
3) Regarding the choice of speciality, 4-5 yrs back you had the luxury of choosing any but now it seems to have a bit hard lined to fewer specialities like Internal Medicine et al. I honestly don't know whether that's true.
Response : the sequence of ease of getting into a speciality
from easiest to difficult : Internal medicine, Neurology,Anaesthsia, Gen
Surgery, Ortho ( don’t even think about Radio or Dermat ..not practical
thinking)
4)When talking of the work environment some candidates are quite unhappy with the rigid and rude system whereas some others are very happy and have no bad impressions at all.
4)When talking of the work environment some candidates are quite unhappy with the rigid and rude system whereas some others are very happy and have no bad impressions at all.
Response : Every society is mix of different kinds of people.
some are good and helpful,, some rude and arrogant. And that applies to the foreign doctors aswell as much it applies to the locals, some try to mix up well and get friendly,,some have their own
egos and prejudice. Its really a personal thing, cannot be generalised. I have
personally come across people who are very friendly and make u feel part of the
team and also there are some who would try to pull you down and clearly show
you how much they hate foreigners. Its your tact to deal with it on person to
person basis. Having a good german language is a very big help to get included.
5)Competitiveness wise - University hospitals seem to difficult for International candidates. They are often posted in peripheral centers.
5)Competitiveness wise - University hospitals seem to difficult for International candidates. They are often posted in peripheral centers.
Response : True, but peripheral centres are not like what we imagine in India. They are well equipped and have good patient load as they cater to 2-3 small towns together. Just that you need to live in a smaller place.
6)I feel that all these depends on where you choose your training. Would you throw some light on the info you have about the current sitaution - like the prospects for different specialities - the ones with more vaccancies etc. That can help us in deciding how conduscive would the journey be.
Response : I have covered the ease of different specialities already
7)Please do mention of the approximate cost - which has to be paid in India & Germany from your research. I have a friend for whom his agent is charging around 1.5 lakhs for Documentation + Visa processing + one way Ticket. He will require to have a deposit of 6000Euros in his name in a German bank. The other preparations for his Approbation will have to be borne by himself. To save money he is trying to learn his German as far as possible from India. He will be assisted in finding a training position for which the agency will be applying at different hospitals on behalf of him.
Response : This is a
very tricky part, and I am going to share only my personal opinion in this
matter. I know several aspirants duped completely in this path. Infact I personally
have never heard a success story through an agent ( Success means getting a JOB
CONTRACT from a Hospital) and I have
known quite a number of aspirants in last 2 years. Your friend is doing the
right thing by learning maximum possible german in india itself. 1.5 Lakhs is
not a huge money, so can be tried. The amount to be deposited in the bank is
called Blocked account to be used by the candidate to withdraw money every
month for living expenses. It is essential requirement to apply for a Student
Visa. Question is what if the visa is rejected ? how much of the 1.5 Lakhs will
be refunded ?? Visa processing takes some amount less than 10K ( Check german
visa fees website to get the exact fees), One way ticket is around 30-35 K. And
one doesn’t need any documention or translation till you actually get a job.
Not even for interviews. Other question is how much is the Approbaton training
institute costing ? and who pays for living costs ? when you calculate
reasonable cost would go more than 10 Lakhs. They promise Visa, and training..
and this and that,,,but if someone would pay such huge amount , they should
talk about JOB Contract certainty, all other things are useless talk, just
business.
That’s why I personally
never recommend Approbation training, its takes time and costs huge,, plus why
not get a job first, apply for berufserlaubnis ( BE), get BE, start working and
getting salary and then think about approbation,, I mean you have 6 months to 2
years ( diff in diff states) to take Appro Exam.
Hope I have
elaborated to the required details.
Good Luck !!
Regards,
Deepak Mishra
